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Ill Health 2nd application? meeting soon. Options
madam butterfly
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:06:33 PM Quote
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I have a meeting with occy health Dr re: Ill health retirement next Tuesday i know that the consultant will not write a letter to back this retirement, as he told me that keeping people at work was one of his top priorities, i some times feel that he gets a bonus for this.


I am having so much difficulty, with work and i can say for sure that i have had more time off than worked, which is not fair to my colleagues, during my last HR meeting i was asked if i would be able to return to my normal work duties, i said no its not so much the physical as i have no lifting, but the stress, strain of working with mental health clients, i come away from work totally wrecked, and worring about turning up for work the next day.


I think i have been doing this job to long 26 yrs, although the job is so much easier now, i am finding it leaves me so depressed even the thought of returning makes me feel sick.


I have been off work for 6mths now, if i do not get the IHR i will have to go back to GP for sick cert or just leave., i am not sure how we will manage financially as my husband works for an agency lgv driver and work is not always guaranteed.


Is there anything i can do that will help my application for IHR? any advice appreciated.Huh


Thanks Anne-m xxx

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:54:47 PM Quote
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Hi Anne-m

I totally understand your worries over your work situation. I have recently been successful in getting ill health retirement from work. I went on the sick in November 2010 as I couldnt cope with teaching and dealing with students on a day to day basis. I saw the OH nurse three times and she finally referred me to the IH doctor. He was very much on my side and agreed that IH retirement was the best option for me. He wrote a report saying that this was the only option. My consultant was a pain though. The report that he was asked for needed him to say that the prognosis was not good for the future. He was really difficult about this saying how could he possibly know about new drugs that could come out in the future. In the end, my RA nurse wrote a detailled report and it was that which clinched it for me. I know that the nurses know us much better than the consultants so maybe you should ask your nurse as a back up plan. You need to submit supporting information so get support from people that are on your side.

Let me know how you get on and I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

Louise
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:32:46 PM Quote
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Hello

I recently got ill health retirement from teaching too (and I am only 35). My occupational health doctor was very supportive and filled in the health part of the form from a report written by rheumy nurse. I took her a copy of the form she could make sure she included all the relevent information in her report. The report was also sent with the application as supporting evidence.

Advice I was given was to focus on the fatigue and as I was teaching young children the increased risk of infection because of lowered immune system (this could be a factor for you too - I guess it depends what sort of mental health patients you work with). Don't focus on physical problems as the pension board will come up with solutions (even if they are not practical!!)

Good luck. It is definitely the best thing I have done.

Becky
madam butterfly
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:10:26 PM Quote
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Hi and thanks Louise & Becky for the advice,

I contacted the rheumy nurse this am re: a problem with mtx prescription at the hosptial, i then asked her about the I.H.R i explained my situation, she said that she could see no problems getting a letter of back up from consultant,

i explained that her i tried b4 and he would not sanction it, the nurse said not to worry, and that when i am asked for this info via pensions i could get back to her,I know she may not be able to do anything, but just getting this off my chest has helped as right now all i seem to do is worry i am now suffering what i thought at first it was the start of a chest infection, i now know its anxiety, i am having shortness of breath difficulty yawning but the need to more often, i think this is all due to the fact that my sick cert runs out 20th next month and all this talk,meetings,, hosptial appointment its all to much.

Next week i have, Occy health meeting on Tuesday, M.R.I Scan Wednesday & maxillofacial Friday, all at the same hosptial, dont it make you want to cry?

Just want it all sorted.

I find it so difficult to talk to the consultant (not that i see much of him) But its equally as hard to talk to the registrars.


Sorry to sound so wingy and negative this is just the way i feel.


Anyhow how is Retirement girls!? Is it a great weight off your shoulders?

Take care Blink Anne-m xxxx
flw93
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:56:10 PM Quote
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Hi Anne-m

Retirement is marvelous!!!!!!I can do things when I feel up to doing them, and rest or nap when I dont. It has taken all of the stress out of my life. The relief when I received my letter from teachers pensions was beyond belief. I think that people say that the process of I H R is very hard and so I expected to be turned down. To be approved was just fantastic.

Get the paper work in order and apply, I am sure the RA nurse will support you. I agree with becky, you must use the fatigue as your biggest problem. I said that I struggled to get moving on a morning and was very tired as the day progressed. The consultant supported this.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Louise
madam butterfly
#6 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 7:25:13 PM Quote
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Well Louise, thank you for advice, i think you are right, My meeting with Occy health is tomorrow, fingers xed i am dreading it and i know its just the start.

Anne-m xx
julieporter123
#7 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 9:04:16 PM Quote
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Hi
Can i ask are you in a union at all? They can normally give some good advice and can attend any meetings that you have to offer support and advice if you need it
Just a thought
Very best of luck for tomorrow
Julie
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 10:06:07 PM Quote
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Good luck
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#9 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 10:07:04 PM Quote
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Good luck
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2011 10:13:45 PM Quote
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Good luck for tomorrow. Let us know how your meeting goes.

Best wishes

Louise
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:54:04 AM Quote
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Hi

I got ill health retirement from teaching at 30 yrs of age. Horrible experience really but I knew I had to do it.

I have found it tough going to start with as I loved my job

also, it defined a lot of me really!

As time has gone on (5 yrs now) I have got really used to it but it still sticks in my throat when people ask what I do.
I found changing to say I did something else helped.

I did OU for a time.

that helped!

Jenni
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madam butterfly
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:05:03 PM Quote
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Well today's the day!!!! Not, up i get after yet another wakeful night, taxi arrives late, turn up at reception on the wrong day, how annoying is that? the Dr was away at a meeting.

My appointment is for tomorrow, i have another appointment with maxillofacial on Thursday,and another on Sunday for MRI scan, Oh well i went and had my blood test so it wasn't a complete waste, so many appointments it drives me mad.


Thank Girls, for all for all encrouging thoughts, i will keep them in mind for tomorrow,Jenni what is ou, bet i should know!!!!

Chat soon.


one dippy Anne-m xxx Confused RollEyes Confused RollEyes Confused
flw93
#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:07:46 PM Quote
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Ha ha, I did exactly the same with my first meeting with OH. I think we have so many medical appointments in different places with different people that our heads are mashed!!! Good luck for tomorrow.

Louise
madam butterfly
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:26:44 PM Quote
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I managed to attend on the right day,this time lol, the Occy dr talked to me for some time and then said can you see yourself returning to work? i said NO, he said that maybe my fatigue/depression was not related to R.A i said i felt there was no other reason other than the pain/ and symptoms that i suffer from.


He then said he would write up a report to back up ill health retirement and then request a report from rheumy consultant, i only have 6 mths to go b4 i can retire early due to working within the mental health services, i know my pension will be greatly reduced as i went part time approx 3 yrs ago, it would benefit me to be able to get ill health as my pension would not be as effected, i will just have to wait and see.

I will need a sick cert from GP next month as this one runs out mid December, hope he will be able to write one, keep seeing all the news on this.

Back up hosp tomorrow, love it lol lol

Anne-m xxx
bpeal1
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:20:21 PM Quote
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Glad your meeting went well. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. I found getting all the relevent people to fill in the form took the longest, once the form was sent off to the pension board a decision was made within a week.

Good luck.

Becky
madam butterfly
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:05:45 PM Quote
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Thanks Becky yep its the waiting, just hope GP will write another cert, i think when i explain whats going he might!!!
Take care.

At least the ball is rolling now.


Anne-m xxxx
bevie
#17 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 1:52:05 PM Quote
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Hi Anne Marie, best of luck with your application for ihr. I retired eight years ago after working as a nurse for nhs. It is very stressful while you are waiting. I got my pension enhanced quite a bit for ill health and you may be able to claim esa and dla as well, which i get. The esa is reduced slightly because of having a pension.

All the best.

Bevxx
Naomi1
#18 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18:09 PM Quote
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Please keep us posted Ann Marie. I really hope to be able to hang on to my job for a long time.....but you never know with RA. Do you work for the NHS? I am following your story closely and wish you luck X
madam butterfly
#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:06:48 PM Quote
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Yes Naomi,

I work for N.H.S within the mental health area, I know the problem i am going to have, will be the rheumy consultant, not that i ever see him, but i know one of his top priority is keeping people in employment, i have tried so hard to keep all ticking over at work and at home, but its just to much, i was arriving at work and giving 1010 %, and arriving home exhausted moody and miserable, not looking forward to time at home as i knew i would have to return to work, that was all that was on my mind.



I dont think that the periods of sickness i have been having helps as i am racked with guilt, feeling that i have let my clients and work colleagues down, then its a nightmare catching up with assessments/reviews etc by the time i catch up i end up off due to the fatigue, i have been going to work with a happy mask on cant do it any more.



Naomi i hope you manage to hang on for a long time, very best of luck to you.
Anne-m xxx
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:50:20 PM Quote
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Just a thought here. The NHS really try to avoid losing staff to ill health retirement if there is a possibility of redeployment. Have you thought of that? I know that one day I might have to consider taking on a less physically demanding role at work. I am glad that I studied for my ECDL in IT just before becoming ill. The NHS actually paid for me to do the course (but in my own time). This will hopefully open up possibilities of different, perhaps more administrative, roles should I need to redeploy.
A word of caution. Your department could declare you unfit for your current role but that does not guarantee ill health retirement. Also do look into the tier system of IHR in the NHS as there are 2 levels. One states that you are not fit for any kind of work ever again and that settlement is generous but if there is any possibility that you could be deemed fit for other work then the settlement is not so good.
Are you in a trade union? They might be able to offer advice.
One last thought. Have you ever thought of asking to see a different consultant?
best wishes from Naomi X
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